Eva. Yes. Good afternoon.
Int : Good afternoon. Today is the fourth. Yes, of April. Yep. 2024.
And I’ve come here to interview yourself, Eva Miller. So Eva, would you like to tell me where you were born, when you were born and what your name was at birth?
Eva: Yes. Well, my name was Eva Kuttner and I was born in Germany in Charlottenberg ,Charlottenberg. What’s it? Right. See that?
Int: That’s quite a difficult one to pronounce, right?
Eva: And I came over here, but I don’t think I was in the regular transport. I’m not quite sure how it worked.
Int: So, I was just going to ask, so were you an only child?
Eva: I was an only child, yes.
Int: And where were your parents from? Did they live in the same town that you were born in?
Eva: Well, then, as far as I know. Yes. But I know so little about that.
Int: Right. And do you remember the name of your parents?
Eva: Yes. Gitel. Gertrude Gitel, which I really like. And Richard, thank you. Richard. The easy one I always forget. Yeah, and Richard, yeah. { Eva’s mother died in childbirth and Eva was then looked after by her father’s brother and his family as Eva’s father had to travel for his work}
(Extract from interview with Eva by Deborah Haase at SJAC in 2018)
Int: And do you know anything about how they met or…?
Eva: I have no idea about any of that. Nothing at all. I was four and a half when I came. Right. And I remember nothing, even when my memory was good, I’ve never remembered any of that at all.
Int: Because it says in the notes here that you came on the Kindertransport.
Eva: Well, it’s a bit like this. I’m not sure how it worked, but it seemingly
was something to do with parents on one side and parents on the other side. There was some kind of a connection with somebody in the middle, put it that way.
Int: Right.
Eva: But I think there was a deal done or something like that to get…. They had one child, a boy, same age as me.
Int: Right.
Eva: They probably thought, well, if we take somebody in, you know, we’ll tell you again about the same age and that. This is the way my brain is working out or did work it out.
Sowe’ll see what we can get. Maybe before it was all Kindertransport
Eva: Right. I think it was something to do with that. They had some connection
with this other family in Germany who wanted their child to be safe in Britain. But I can’t swear to everything.
Int: It’s fine. It’s fine. And I presume that you would have arrived in London, in England.
Eva: Yeah. Yes. Was it Liverpool? No, it wasn’t Liverpool.
Wendy (daughter): Southampton. Southampton.
No, don’t you from… You came on the Kindertransport. You left Berlin on the 30th of January 1939. And you came via Hamburg and arrived in Southampton on the 1st of February 1939.
{The family got Eva on a Kindertransport leaving Berlin on 30 January 1939 via Hamburg and she arrived in the UK at Southampton on 1st February 1939. She travelled on the SS Washington. She still has a coat hanger – with knitted (or padded) cover she brought with her.} (Extract from interview with Eva by Deborah Haase at SJAC in 2018)
Eva: She’s got more information than I can remember.
Daughter/Wendy When she travelled on the SS Washington, and we ended up here, a family that took her in. Grandpa was involved with the whole bringing children out of Germany. So, he sponsored her. She was one of the youngest.
Eva: There was something like that. Yeah. Yeah.
Int: When you were saying Grandpa, you were talking about the family that brought you up.
Eva: Yes.
Int: Right. So, what was your father’s name? Your adoptive father’s name?
Eva: Alf Collins.
Int: And I wouldn’t be speaking English either.
Int: So do you remember any German?
Eva: No. No.
Int: But it would have been so dramatic for you to come over at such a young age as well, I’d imagine. And I think I’m only going by my mother-in-law, who sort of said as well, is that older children were kind of helping out, looking after younger children. That must have been a lot as well. So I don’t think that there was a lot of adults around to support you either.
Eva: Possibly not. Possibly.
Int: So you arrived in Southampton, came up to Glasgow, and lived with the Collins. And so he was married with a child as well then.
Eva: Yes. And we lived five minutes down the road here.
Int: Oh right. So where was that?
Eva: You know, where the Orchard Park Hotel is, in that road, the first house beside it.
Int: Ah, right. You know that road. So Giffnock and Clarkston. ( in South side of Glasgow).
Eva: So I’ve come full circle around all the areas, going from here to there, go back where I started.
Int: I know that you’re back in the Homeburn House, which is also in Giffnock, Glasgow. So the family that took you in, there was a father, Mr Collins, and his wife was called?
Eva: Doreen.
Int: Doreen. And so, do you know what they did as profession or?
Eva: Well, at that time, I think they had a factory then. I’m trying to remember at that time,
I mean, in later life and all the rest of it, they had a clothing factory and that in Glasgow.
Int: Right.
Eva: But I’m trying to think that far back, if they still had it then, because I would have
been very ignorant about anything like that, because I was too young to understand what was
a factory or anything. I shouldn’t imagine. But I would imagine they must have started off maybe,
you know, in younger days with that. I’m just guessing.
Int: And so they had a little boy you said was the same age?
Eva: Same age as me. Well, a few months between us, that’s all.
Int: And so what was his name?
Eva: Dennis. So you know, his birthday was in July and I was September. So, it’s only a couple of months difference.
Int: So that was nice.
Eva: Yeah.
Int: So that you had an instant playmate. So, did Dennis have any siblings as well then?
Int: No, he was an only child.
Int: And did you live with them throughout your childhood?
Eva: Yes.
Int: And I presume did you ever hear from your parents in Germany?
Eva: Never again. No. I did hear my father ended up in Auschwitz.
Int: Right.
Eva: But my mother had died previous to that. I can’t, I don’t know why, but I think it was nothing to do with the war, I don’t think.
Wendy ( Eva’s daughter) Your mother died in childbirth.
Eva: Right.
Wendy And your father was working. So you are with his brother and his wife being looked after.
Eva: Yes, an aunt and uncle.
Wendy : And then your father got taken away. And it was the aunt and uncle that put her on the Kindertransport.
Int: Right. So your father was sent to Auschwitz . { Richard Kutner was killed in the Holocaust. Yad Vashem was notified by Eva’s cousin Henry Kutner. Records show Richard was transported to Theresienstadt and then Auschwitz. Yad Vashem hold a number of records relating to Eva’s family} (Extract from interview with Eva by Deborah Haase at SJAC in 2018)…..
and then so do you know what happened to the uncle and aunt?
Eva: Yes, they ended up, they came to London.
Int: Oh, lovely.
Eva: Yes. There’s still family down there sort of. I used to go up and down and see them, stay with them in London actually, you know when I was younger, before I was married and that.
So, they were there.
Int: Right.
Eva: And they did [have] their own family, a boy and a girl, that were older than me.
Int: Right. But that would be nice for you that you still had….?
Eva: Well, I had that connection. Yes, I had that connection. And I always hated my uncle because he was a dentist and I was terrified of dentists. And he had his surgery in the house, he had a flat. And the minute I appeared on the scene, well, we’ll need to have a look at your mouth now, haven’t seen it for a long time, blah, blah, blah. And I hated him for that.
Int: No. It’s amazing how many people had their surgeries in their house, whether if they were a doctor or a dentist. So I can imagine that equipment must have been quite terrifying actually for a young child. And also, I think to go and visit your relatives instead of saying, come and have some cake, let me have a look at your teeth.
Eva: Oh, every time, every time I went down there, that’s the first thing he said to me, come into the surgery, we’ll have a look at your mouth.
Int: So did they come over during the war or?
Eva: They must have come over just at the beginning of the war, as far as I can
remember. Yes. And Wendy wouldn’t know that. Yes, because they’d been in London as long as I knew them. I don’t remember them from Germany. They were an older brother of my father, but I didn’t really remember them at all until they got in contact when I was up here and they were in London. So that’s how I got to know and every summer I went down for a couple of weeks to stay with them,
Int: Which would be lovely, but difficult, I think as well, really, because if you were up here, it’s quite a long journey to go down.
Eva: On the train, it was the train. And these days, I wasn’t flying. No, no. Yes.
Int: And how did you find growing up in Glasgow?
Eva: Growing up in Glasgow? Well, I had nothing to compare it with put it that way. It depends very much on your circumstances. Everybody’s different. If you’ve got a happy enough childhood and you’re happy enough at school, that sort of thing. Everything’s fine, isn’t it really?
Int: And did you go to the local school?
Eva: I went to Broomlea. [A small private girls school ] Oh, right. I did go to Broomlea
Eva: Because after the war, we moved from Giffnock.
Int: Right.
Eva: And we went up to Whitecraigs. So, I was within walking distance from Roddinghead Road. If you know where that is, you probably do, down the hill.
Int: So for those who don’t know, Broomlea was a small primary school. [ correction, the school continued up to age 17]. Did it have the three different houses?
Eva: That’s right. The big yellow one with the flat roof at the end, that was a senior one. And there was one in the middle. And then the junior one was the first one.
Eva: I’m sure I got Latin as well because I love Latin. I’ve forgotten most of it, but I used to love Latin. Well, where else would I have got it from? It’s the only school I went to. So they must have taught Latin there as well. But I can’t remember the teachers or anything for that. I took it somehow. I don’t know why I like it. But yeah, I think it was happy enough there. Yeah, I think.
Int: And the fact that you could walk to school would be quite nice. Yes. And I don’t know, did you go home at lunchtime?
Eva: I think I did. Yeah,
Eva: Oh, right. Yeah. Yeah. I remember a girl, I remember. I get all that she was sent from Guernsey. In fact, I even remember her name. And I remember she came from St Peter Port in Guernsey to live during the war with Anne Motherwell. Right. You know, Motherwell’s used to be the grain store down in the Gorbals and that. I don’t know if you remember that. Anyway, they lived dead across the road from the school. So, she had to fall out of bed and roll across the road. But she got this girl to stay with her. I don’t think they adopted her, but it was just for the during the wartime and that. I always remember her being in the school and she was a wee bit different. She just looked different. She was, you know, very dark and dark hair and a nice girl. But I always remember her for some reason, Mildred. That was her name. Mildred Lacey.
Int: So did you enjoy going to that school?
Eva: I quite enjoyed it. Well, I hadn’t been to any other one, put to that way. I had no comparison. I thought I was having quite an easy life put it that way. And if I’d gone to a Hutchie or somewhere, it would have been 10 times worse.
Eva: I was always good at languages, at French and Latin. And I liked that. Why I never did anything with it. Cos, I actually ended up forgetting it all, you know. But that was my sort of thing. I didn’t like sums or arithmetic and geometry, trigonometry and all that horrible stuff.
Int: I can understand that. Yeah. So you were at Broomlea.
Eva: Yeah.
Int: And did your parents mix in the Jewish community?
Eva: Yes. Yes. Mixed with both. Mixed with everyone really. Yeah. My dad was in all the
committees and the Old Age Home and this and that and the other. He was the chairman and
what was it? Was it the home?
Int: Newark Lodge? [ A Jewish Old Age Home]
Eva: Yes.
Int: You were at [Newark] Lodge?
Wendy: Yeah. The Old Age Home he was chairman. Yeah. And he did a lot of charity work with the Variety Club, I think. He got an OBE for all his charity work.
Int: Oh my goodness. That’s quite something.
Eva: Yeah. You know, he liked all that sort of thing, you know. So, we did that. But, yes, so it was all very good. All very good.
Int: So just to go back a wee bit. So did you arrive? Which year did you arrive?
Wendy: So she arrived in Southampton, 1939.
Int: Right.
Wendy: 1st of February. And then she travelled to get here. But she left Berlin on the 30th of January.
Int: And so you would have gone to primary school quite quickly. So I didn’t realise that Broomlea would be open so early.
Eva: Yeah. Yeah.
Int: And do you remember what it was like being in Glasgow during the war?
Eva: Bits and pieces. I mean, like the funny story I remember and that sort of thing. But not enough a lot really. I think at that age it doesn’t really affect you so much, you know.
Int: Yeah. I presume when you went to school you had to have your gas mask with you.
Eva: Yes. And that’s right.
Int: They probably would have said to you what to do in the event of a……
Eva: They probably did all that. I would think so, yes. I should imagine so. You know, I just, the one daft story from it, but it was nothing to do with school. As I say, we lived round there and we were asleep in bed upstairs and it was during the war. We were still very small. But my dad was in the Home Guard.
Int: Right.
Eva: And they used to go out in these, I don’t know, boiler suit type things and the boots and all this sort of carry on, you know. He would have loved it. So, he went out at night on duty. I don’t know what it is they did at night, you know.
Int: I think probably watching to make sure for planes.
Eva: I really don’t know. But he was out at night. We went to bed and there was a normal light and he was out. And he used to come in all funny hours. So, nobody thought anything about it. And one night, my mother got up. She thought she smelled smoke coming from downstairs. And she couldn’t understand it because there was nothing on, you know, it was gas in these days and all the rest of it. But she never left anything on. So, she went downstairs to see and she heard a noise. We had the stairs and you know how you get a cupboard under the stairs with a door. And she thought smoke was coming from that direction. She thought, what on earth is this? And she opened the cupboard door. And it’s my father in there. He’d come back early, didn’t want to disturb anybody, so he went to have a seat in there and he lit a cigarette. But with a lit cigarette he fell asleep and the cigarette had gone on to his welly boots and this was the smell that was coming up with the smoke. My mother thought the Germans had landed.
Int: In her downstairs cupboard!
Eva: So that was the best laugh of the war.
Int: Just as well she went though.
Eva: Yeah, she smelled it. She wouldn’t have known if she hadn’t wakened up and smelled it, you know. But it was just a laugh and a carry on. My father nearly had a heart attack when he found out what he’d done.
Int: Absolutely. And the thing is, in those days as well, everybody smoked.
Eva: Oh, yes.
Int: You just went around all the time with cigarettes, actually.
Int: Yeah, I know. And I’m quite sure that….
Eva: I was one of them eventually as well.
Int: Well, I’m sure your parents would be smoking in front of you.
Eva: All the time. Anyway. …….I found it sitting that cupboard there. ….My mother’s silver cigarette case with her initials on it. You got there. I don’t think you’ve ever seen either. It’s lying in there
Int: Did you not have that as wedding presents actually a silver case, cigarette case,
a lighter?
Eva: No, this was before she was married when she was young. So our parents must have given her or somebody. Right. So it turned up. I’d forgotten all about it. Till just recently.
Int: Goodness.
Eva So I just stuck it in there because it was silver.
Int: Absolutely.
Int: And so what did you enjoy doing for hobbies and sports? Do you remember?
Eva: Well, school, we had hockey. Which I hated, but I had to do it on the way down
to Giffnock fields. We all did that. None of us liked it. I seem to remember. But I was never
that athletic. I wasn’t interested really. Skated. We all used to go to Crossmyloof [Ice rink] at the weekends, Saturday afternoon. So I liked that, skating was good. But apart from that, really, I wasn’t interested. The odd tennis in the summer, but I wasn’t really into it.
Int: And was there any kind of groups that you belonged to? And you played the piano?
Eva: Well, I had piano lessons, yes. I wasn’t that marvellous. Wendy’s better than me now.
Int: Did you enjoy playing the piano?
Eva: Oh, I loved it. I like music. That’s why.
Int: Ah, right. Well, that’s good.
Eva: Yes, I like music.
Int: So did you get a chance to go to concerts?
Eva: Occasionally, very occasionally, because I didn’t know anybody else who liked it. That’s the funny thing. Not everybody’s into that sort of thing. But I liked music of all different kinds.
Int: So your father worked and was your mother a stay-at-home mum?
Eva: Yeah,
Int: Because I think that was the norm for quite a few mothers.
Eva: Oh, we had horse riding lessons at some part, I’d seem to remember, which I didn’t enjoy.
I loved the horses, but I wasn’t keen on riding them.
Int: Was it up at Hazelden [riding school]?
Eva: Yes, at Hazelden, that’s right, up in the Mearns. Yeah, it just came back when you’re talking there.
Int: So would you say a nice childhood?
Eva: Oh, yes. Yes.
Int: And how did you get on with your brother?
Eva: We got on fine, mostly, just like any brothers and sisters or anybody. You have the odd fights. We never bashed each other up or anything. Mostly we got on.
Int: So what school did he go to?
Eva: He went to High School.
Int: Oh gosh, that’d be a long way to travel.
Eva: Oh, I think he got the bus or did he get a lift. No, he must have got the bus. I can’t remember now. You would just go on the two buses and go where you go.
Eva: Yeah, yeah, yeah. But yes, he went there and I went to Broomlea.
Int: And so what did you do after you left school?
Eva: I went into my dad’s office.
Int: Right.
Eva: And I worked there till I married.
Int: And so what did you do in the office?
Eva: Answer the phones, I tried to teach myself to type and do that. I could get by with it, put it that way. And I never got lessons or anything like that. But in these days, you didn’t bother with things
like that, you know.
Int: I think they just had this thing that you would just pick it up.
Eva: Yeah, well, I did. I did at the time, you know, and whatever office work was around, I managed to. I wasn’t there on my own. There was other people there as well. But yeah, I quite liked it. quite enjoyed that.
Int: So did you go to dances at the weekend?
Eva: If there’s anything to go to, yes.
Int: And so when did you meet your husband?
Eva: He was a friend of my brother’s actually. He knew him before I knew him. I didn’t know him at all. Because it was a few years older than me, there was about six years difference. So he was like another generation though. But my brother was friendly with him and that’s how I met him through that.
Int: And so what did your husband do?
Eva: He was also in the clothing trade. Yes, he had a place in Queen Street. So he worked there.
Int: And so did you go to help him?
Eva: No, no, no.
Int: I think also in those days, she puts it very delicately. Children arrived quite quickly as well at marriages; my mother told me.
Eva: Yeah, well, Gail came, I think it’s about a year later.
Int: Yeah, I think that was kind of nice.
Eva: Yeah, yeah. I was glad to stay at home because I could have a dog.
Int: Ah, right.
Eva: Had to have a dog. And I was brought up with dogs. We had dogs when I was single all our live. I was brought up with one, two or three at a time. All different breeds and now and again,
they changed them one went and another kind came in. And I loved all the dogs. That’s what I’m miss in here.
Int :Right.
Eva: You’re not allowed animals.
Int: So you had at times three dogs?
Eva: No, this is when I was single. When I was at home. Yeah. Oh, yeah. Sometimes they all overlapped and we’d have three at a time.
Int: Oh my goodness.
Eva: If I went through my photographs, I’m sure I’d find a few. And every time we got a
new dog, it was a different breed. It was not one of the same kind all the way through. I loved that. It was great. When we had the children, we had the dog as well. And it was another child, as such.
Int: But you stuck to having one dog and you didn’t go far?
Eva: One dog. No, no. And that’s enough. When you’ve got three children and you’ve got to take them to school sometimes in the car and you know.
Int: So you have, you had Gail. And then you had Wendy.
Eva: Uh huh. And then I had Jonathan.
Int: That’s right. And she [Gail] now lives down South, you said?
Eva: Yes. She’s in East Midlands. She’s in Grantham. You know, near Nottingham.
Int: Right.
Eva: That way, you know.
Int: And just, and where does Jonathan live?
Eva: Well, Jonathan’s not with us anymore.
Int: Oh, right. Sorry.
Eva: No, he was at home and then he went away. Most of his life he was at home. But he’d gone abroad as well.
Wendy: He lived in Israel for a long time. Yeah. He lived in Cyprus. And he ended up in Dubai.
Int: Right.
Wendy: And he was a musician.
Int: Oh, right.
Wendy: And so he ended up when he was in Dubai. He did all the music for children in a, it was called ‘Senses’, the charity in Dubai.
Int: Oh, yes. Right.
Wendy: And he did all the music for children with special needs. But sadly, he died a few years ago.
Int: Right. Which is very hard for you all.
Eva: Well, he wasn’t even here. You know, it’s difficult.
Int: Absolutely. Absolutely.
Eva: It was a good few years ago now.
Int: And so you and your husband lived in Glasgow?
Eva: Yeah.
Int: You never lived anywhere else?
Eva: No.
Eva: They [ Eva’s uncle ] had two daughters and one of them kept in touch with me for quite a while on and off. I think I’ve still got her address, I think, down in London. Not very often, but you know, the odd time and that sort of thing. I never really saw them very much at all. You know, they were all much older than me. In fact a different generation altogether, really.
Int: So as your children grew older, did you take up any…? So you enjoyed music.
Eva: Mm-hmm.
Int: And I’m sure you were able to go to more concerts?
Eva: Well, I didn’t go to a lot of concerts I didn’t seem to know anybody that really
wanted to go with me.
Int: Right. Did your husband not want to go to the concerts?
Eva: Not interested. He was never that inclined.
Int: So you had to wait till Wendy came along?
Eva: That’s right. Well, even Gail’s not musical. Wendy was musical, but Gail was never. I mean, she liked it, all right.
Int: Jonathan was obviously musical as well.
Eva: He liked it.
Wendy: He was self-taught.
Eva: But you find a lot of people from Germany are very musical. I don’t know if it’s the race or…
Int: Could be. Did you ever meet up with any other refugees that came over?
Wendy: You did. You went to America?
Eva; Yes, but I didn’t know. This was another thing entirely. It was a cousin here. Well, not my real cousin, if you know what I mean. My cousin here, right? An older one, a few years older. During the war, they had a boy come to stay with them. Where did he come from? I can’t remember where he came from. Anyway, he ended up in America after the war. He kept in touch with them here and invited us over to go and stay with them one year. So the two of us went to America and we went round…where was it we were…
Wendy: California?
Eva: It was California, but I can’t remember where it was in California.
Int: When you say the two of us, you and your husband?
Eva: No, no, no. Me and my cousin. By this time, I lost my husband.
Int: Ah right.
Eva: So I was on my own anyway.
Int: Right.
Eva: And so it was me and my cousin went together. And it was so nice to see them again. And he had family there and everything as well, you know, so we caught up. So that was nice. He took us out and around the place and it was different. I would never have got to California any other way.
Int: I know. I know. It’s huge and it’s a long way to go.
Eva: Yes. Yes. It’s really nice.
Int: What made you decide to join the Association of Jewish Refugees?
Eva: I don’t know. I think we were all doing it. Whoever it was, it was… I couldn’t tell you how I started with it. I don’t really know.
Int: So were you involved with Rosa’s organization with Saroc before that?
Eva: No. No, I wasn’t. Right. Unless she talked me into it or something. I mean, I did know her,
but I was never anything to do with what she did. I really truthfully cannot remember.
Int: There must have been somebody, I think, along the way that mentioned it.
Eva: I’m sure there must have been somebody, yes.
Int: When you look back at your life, what would you see with the highs?
Eva: What were the highs? Well I suppose when I met my husband. Had the children, had the dog. All these kind of things. Just normal, everyday things. And going to America of course. That was, you know…
Wendy ( Eva’s daughter) : I think you would class one of the highs was when you worked in the Deli. Because she worked in the Deli.
Int: Ah, right.
Wendy: My mum and dad went to partnership in the Deli for a few years.
Int: Oh, you missed that out.
Eva: I wasn’t thinking about that. You didn’t ask me, so I never thought about it. I was only there the other day.
Wendy : So when Annie Cohen sold the deli…{ Eva and Nan Getzels took over Cohen’s Deli in Giffnock for 7 years after Annie and Hymie retired.} (Extract from interview with Eva by Deborah Haase at SJAC in 2018)
Int: Ah, right.
Eva: When Annie (Cohen) left, we decided, with a couple of friends, to take it on and we would run it.
Eva: I couldn’t even tell you the years it was, we had it.
Int: There were a couple of ladies who used to… It was nice.
Eva: Nan Getzel is one probably… Did you know Nan?
Wendy: You had the Deli. You definitely had it, because I remember coming in when I was pregnant with Adam, so that’s 1984. So you had the shop at that point. So…
Int: Yeah, and you did very well, I think, actually.
Eva: Oh, we enjoyed it. That was good.
Int: Did you do a lot of making of your own…
Eva: Well, the lady that did the cooking… No. The lady that the cooking was there with Annie for 100 years.
Int: Right.
Eva: And she stayed on with us and she just carried on with the cooking.
Eva: She was there for that.
Int: The coleslaw was fantastic. Everybody talked about the coleslaw.
Eva: I don’t think she’s around anymore. I don’t think she’s with us, but she’d been there with Annie for so long. I mean, you had to have her, you know. You really did. She knew what she was doing.
Int: And also you had loyal clientele as well.
Eva: Yes, yes. Well, of course, if you’re in Giffnock, it’s the area.
Int: Absolutely. Absolutely.
Eva: But, well, we enjoyed it. It was great. It really was…. I went in the other day there and on the way out, Mark [the present owner ] says to me, ‘I thought you were coming in to give me a hand for YomTov..’
Int: Absolutely not and shot out!
Int: So, was that after your husband had passed away?
Eva: No, no, no. He was in on the whole thing.
Int: Ah, right.
Eva: Yes, it was like the four of us, but they didn’t work in it. Nan and I were in it.
Int: I do remember. So, I probably did come in.
Eva: You probably did, yes.
Int: But I was going to say, so did your husband do the schlepping? Was he kind of more…
Eva: Well, he did a little. He did a little, yeah. Yeah,
Int: Sort of carry in and out of the bags.
Eva: Till he wasn’t able to. Yes, he did.
Int: But, yes, no, I was in it all the time, actually. It was nice.
Eva: Yes. It was very interesting as well people that came in and who you spoke to and…
Int: And you also, I think, so most of your produce would have come from Manchester?
Eva: A lot of it did, yes. It did.
Int: To be honest, I think then we had a bigger selection.
Eva: Well, probably. It depends what somebody likes themselves. Oh, I’m not feeling it. We’ll try another thing, you know, see if that sells and that’s the way it goes, you know.
Int: And there was a lot of really nice homemade stuff as well.
Wendy: You used to get your big list for Pesach after you choose a list of…
Eva: Yes. No, that was the worst time, actually. Oh, it was so difficult. I mean, you were really on your knees.
Int: So, thank you very much. So, I’m actually also, if it’s going to be okay with you,
I’m going to have a quick look just to see. So, are you okay if we use some of this as well?[ Interviewer refers to printed sheet]
Eva: If it’s of any interest.
Int: When it says what’s interesting is , …..I don’t know whether you still have…You said something about having a coat hanger with a knitted or padded cover.
Eva: Yes, I have.
Int: Do you still have that?
Eva: I do, yes.
Eva: And at that time, who was I talking to about that? Whoever I told… I couldn’t find it.
Int: Right.
Eva: But I did find it eventually.
Eva: And I know where it is on the top of the wardrobe.
Int: Would you be willing if we took a photograph of it?
Eva: If you want it, I’ll go and get it. Yes, I know exactly where it is.
Int: But no, I get that.
Int: So, Eva, thank you very much for inviting us around this afternoon. And I’ve just taken a photograph of the hanger, which you brought over with you, which is really quite wonderful when you arrived. And so, we’ll put up on the website.
And with your permission, I’m going to put in some of the details
that you’ve had in interview as well.
Eva: Okay.
Int: Up on the website.
Int: And I would like to thank you very much for giving us your time this afternoon.
Eva: Oh, you’re very welcome.