KH: Today is the 7th of October.
INT: With Kathy Hagler.
INT: OK, here we are in Inverness and you said you would talk about your life. So tell me about when and where you were born. I’m just going to let you talk and I’ll prompt you if it stops.
Your name was Hagler, that’s from your family name?
KH: That’s from my father, that’s all I know about him.
INT: Right.
KH: I know his name and I know his approximate age.
INT: Yeah.
KH: I think he was eight or nine years older than my mother. So I know that my mother was born in 1914.
INT: Yeah.
KH: That’s all. I don’t know when in 1914 or where in 1914; I don’t know anything.
INT: So her name was, her maiden name was your grandmother’s name wasn’t it?
KH: Yes.
INT: Right. And that was the name of the husband that had gone off, the gambler?
KH: Yes. I mean as far as I know he may have been still alive when I was living with my granny. I have no idea. He may have been dead.
INT: Yeah.
KH: I don’t know, I was never told.
INT: Do you know what your granny’s name was?
KH: S-T-E-R-N. But listen, as I’ve said, my granny’s younger sister survived. Her grandson, my second cousin in Hungary with whom I have a very good relationship with even today, he never found out that he was Jewish until he was twenty years old!
INT: Wow. From a religious grandmother as well.
KH: But a totally non-religious mother.
INT: Yeah.
KH: He was twenty years old before he found out that he came from a Jewish family.
INT: Wow
KH: I mean…so my granny and my aunt were not the only ones who kept everything a secret.
INT: Yeah. So presumably after the Holocaust it was just too dangerous to say anything to anybody …
KH: I was about fourteen years old when I sort of decided all by myself that maybe it’s not a good idea to let people know that I’m Jewish. I don’t know how I reached that conclusion because there was never any doubt about it; I always knew that I was Jewish.
INT: Yeah.
KH: But somehow I reached the conclusion that letting people know that I’m Jewish is not a very good idea.